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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 18, 2019 7:42:14 GMT -5
With it releasing in some parts of the world, here is the SPOILER FILLED discussion thread for those who have seen the film!
T-Minus 19 minutes for me!
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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 18, 2019 10:43:57 GMT -5
Just got out. I am blown away.
Will wait until another person chimes in just to be sure nobody gets anything ruined!
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Post by GK45 on Dec 18, 2019 13:28:06 GMT -5
Just got out. I am blown away. In a good way or a bad way? lol I've been hearing mostly bad.
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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 18, 2019 19:22:42 GMT -5
It's good. From what I've read, the bad stuff seems to only come from butthurt Disney haters. I saw it with 5 people, and everyone in our group thoroughly enjoyed it.
Walking out of the cinema, it seemed pretty much everyone else did as well.
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Post by Luke Skywalker on Dec 18, 2019 19:30:47 GMT -5
Do they kill off 3PO?
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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 18, 2019 19:53:18 GMT -5
I hate spoiling things for people, but I can presume boat you're in with this movie 😂 No, they do not. |
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Post by Luke Skywalker on Dec 18, 2019 20:04:36 GMT -5
I’m actually in the SWINO camp. I hated TLJ and the images burned in my brain over what they did to Luke will never be erased. I’m not planning to EVER see ROS. As far as I’m concerned canon ended with Rogue 1 which I’ve now watched over 12 times. I’ve seen TLJ 1 and 1/2? times. Couldn’t get through it a second time. I was doing other things while it was on. I did watch Ivan’s cut and, although not perfect, it was somewhat tolerable.
Glad to hear they kept 3PO. The teases and leaks regarding killing him off were upsetting.
I’m glad you and your friends enjoyed it. 😊
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Post by Guylo Ren on Dec 18, 2019 22:17:46 GMT -5
OK,just back from the midnight showing here in Britain...
...honestly,I'm not quite sure what to make of it yet.My girlfriend loved most of it,but for myself I think I need a second viewing to properly formulate a response.🤔 Bit cryptic,I know,but not wanting to colour anybody's opinion- more of us need to see it,much to discuss.
(For a general Disney overview- loved TFA,took two viewings to despise TLJ,hated Rogue One,mostly enjoyed Solo,liking Mando,so I'm finding their efforts a mixed bag overall thus far)
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Post by saiyancookie on Dec 18, 2019 22:20:50 GMT -5
Aussie here. Saw it last night and really enjoyed it. Never going to make everyone 100% happy.
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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 18, 2019 22:44:53 GMT -5
Aussie here. Saw it last night and really enjoyed it. Never going to make everyone 100% happy. AGREED hahaha |
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Post by grif on Dec 18, 2019 22:56:11 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned Return of the Jedi was the end of the Skywalker saga and I'm not a butthurt Disney hater. Just seems the only reason Skywalker was tied to this new trilogy was to attract fans. The Force Awakens was a good start for a story. The battle between 2 directors ruined it for me. Hoping for a fresh start on future Disney films.
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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 19, 2019 0:11:53 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned Return of the Jedi was the end of the Skywalker saga and I'm not a butthurt Disney hater. Just seems the only reason Skywalker was tied to this new trilogy was to attract fans. The Force Awakens was a good start for a story. The battle between 2 directors ruined it for me. Hoping for a fresh start on future Disney films. Very well said, dude. If you liked TFA, I feel you'd enjoy this. You could even ignore TLJ completely for most of it. I went in just wanting to enjoy the new film, and I did. |
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Post by megtoothsith on Dec 19, 2019 3:39:09 GMT -5
I liked it. No spoilers from me. Lots of fan service, JK hit some of the pitches he laid out in TFA. They corrected a long time faux pais, cinematically, no stupid jokes, non stop action. Lots of sabers. and a few new. Megtooth Sith aporoves, and I despised TLJ. JJ is the man, Disney restored the faith. That is all for now.
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Post by Luke Skywalker on Dec 19, 2019 5:57:04 GMT -5
Megtooth Sith approves, and I despised TLJ. JJ is the man, Disney restored the faith. That is all for now. Wow. I think that’s the best review yet. Maybe I’ll watch it on dvd some day. And I’m not a Disney hater either. We’ll be building droids and riding Rise of the Resistance in a month and a half. 😁 |
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Post by nosloppy on Dec 20, 2019 0:59:03 GMT -5
Wow. That was a lot. I have to say the visuals of palpatine's intro was the darkest scariest thing I've ever seen Star wars do. Really well done. The closure is good across the board generally speaking. I still don't feel like I should be talking about this.... It's going to wait till the thread takes off a bit.
oh yeah, maybe I liked it through and through because there were no really bad comedic hits. No bumbling mechanic droids, no 3PO in the droid factory losing his head.... I can't even recall a fart joke. Good!
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Post by toddf on Dec 20, 2019 8:26:34 GMT -5
I won't say anything yet about plot points, but since I was watching for it I caught a new saber/belt attachment method I hadn't seen before. Now I need to go back and rewatch VII and VIII to see if there are other examples.
Much saber respect given in this movie. More treatment of sabers as mystical objects than in any movie since IV, in my opinion.
Also a new method for activating a saber we've never seen before.
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Post by GK45 on Dec 20, 2019 9:52:04 GMT -5
It's good. From what I've read, the bad stuff seems to only come from butthurt Disney haters. I saw it with 5 people, and everyone in our group thoroughly enjoyed it. Walking out of the cinema, it seemed pretty much everyone else did as well. I'm hearing differently, people, especially those that go in costume are walking out of showings. I’m actually in the SWINO camp. I hated TLJ and the images burned in my brain over what they did to Luke will never be erased. I’m not planning to EVER see ROS. As far as I’m concerned canon ended with Rogue 1 which I’ve now watched over 12 times. I’ve seen TLJ 1 and 1/2? times. Couldn’t get through it a second time. I was doing other things while it was on. I did watch Ivan’s cut and, although not perfect, it was somewhat tolerable. I'm in the same camp, though I never watched TLJ. I skipped it in theaters because of the reviews, Disney strong arming smaller theaters and the politics.
By the time it came out otherwise I had seen enough reviews and breakdowns that I just had no interest in subjecting myself to it.
oofda, Watched a spoiler review of Skywalker and... well
That's not how the force works! That's not how any of this works!
Kinda just threw out the rule book for this one.
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Post by sandpeople on Dec 20, 2019 11:29:15 GMT -5
I liked it overall. Some of the characters felt kind of rushed, but worked out ok. I was happy how they worked with Carrie's death, and how much they had of her. My 17 year old was stoked with it. I think it ended well, and cleaned up some of the mess of TLJ (which I re-watched on wednesday). I'll watch it again, but it was good.
I also wowed the folks at the theater with my Solo's Hold V2. the costumer folks had Ultra sabers or disney hilts.
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Post by Ben Solo on Dec 20, 2019 12:01:50 GMT -5
I liked it overall. Some of the characters felt kind of rushed, but worked out ok. I was happy how they worked with Carrie's death, and how much they had of her. My 17 year old was stoked with it. I think it ended well, and cleaned up some of the mess of TLJ (which I re-watched on wednesday). I'll watch it again, but it was good. I also wowed the folks at the theater with my Solo's Hold V2. the costumer folks had Ultra sabers or disney hilts. Going from an Ultrasabers to an SH must be like going from ep8 to ep5 (unless you're Rian Johnson lol) |
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Post by megtoothsith on Dec 20, 2019 12:48:14 GMT -5
I liked it overall. Some of the characters felt kind of rushed, but worked out ok. I was happy how they worked with Carrie's death, and how much they had of her. My 17 year old was stoked with it. I think it ended well, and cleaned up some of the mess of TLJ (which I re-watched on wednesday). I'll watch it again, but it was good. I also wowed the folks at the theater with my Solo's Hold V2. the costumer folks had Ultra sabers or disney hilts. Going from an Ultrasabers to an SH must be like going from ep8 to ep5 (unless you're Rian Johnson lol) This costumer has a neopixel proffie Korbanth! |
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Post by sa22c on Dec 20, 2019 16:17:31 GMT -5
Brought my pre-TLJ Reysaber with me today.  The movie was a hot mess, way too much crammed into the first half to be intelligble but the Rey-Kylo dynamic carried over from TLJ saved the film. Easily the weakest of the sequel trilogy (though still much better than Solo or R1) Going to watch it again tonight, very interested to see how it plays out on second viewing. I will say that the Emperor stuff was really intense and well done and I'm not at all bothered by the Rey retconn. |
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Post by bombarta on Dec 20, 2019 16:56:59 GMT -5
Rotten tomatoes, critics score is low 58% where as audience score was high at 85% unike TLJ where these scores were reversed a day after release.
To note now TLJ is at 48% from audience scores.
I've not seen it and not giving a penny to Disney after EP8
I enjoyed 7 and then 8 just killed everything I loved about SW.
Just to note the leaks were true and between those and TLJ it's keeping the UK fans away.
I checked the multi plex last night and the screens were only half booked on opening night 30 mins before start time, with the last 2 slots less than half.
Today's screenings were the same half and less throughout the day.
And from the people who manage to ignore the fan service, they are saying it's a mess because JJ was trying to fix to much plot after RJ'S mess.
Also not hating on D, liked Rebels, R1 and the Mandalorian.
Disliked Resistance for it's colour palette and pushing SJW nonsense in a cartoon and Solo just because it didn't feel like SW or Han Solo.
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Post by jakesoft on Dec 20, 2019 21:08:57 GMT -5
I went to see it today. Overall, I think it's pretty good. Given the mess that JJ was left with after TLJ, I think he did the best he could. I went into this movie expecting a train wreck. I was pleasantly surprised to like the movie the more it went on, though it was not without flaws. I'm not in love with it, but I like it much better than TLJ.
****MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD****
Things I didn't like:
1. The Force can apparently open small wormholes and teleport objects at will. Um... that's not how the Force works; this isn't Harry Potter. WTF?
2. Sith dagger shape matching perfectly the wreckage of the death star makes absolutely no sense.
3. Astral projection saber fight? Really? That's almost worse than when Luke phoned it in. Again, that's not how the Force works.
4. Light skipping. That's not how hyperspace works, and even if it did, how are the TIE fighters doing it too and in perfect sync with the Falcon? It made no sense.
5. Rey-lo smooching felt forced in (although it was acted pretty well)
Things I liked:
1. They managed to not kill off any other OT characters besides Liea (and her death was handled respectfully and did something for the plot)
2. "A Jedi's weapon deserves more respect." --Luke Skywalker (nice fix, JJ)
3. Holdo maneuver is "...one in a million", meaning you can't just do it all the time (nice fix, JJ)
4. Rey actually struggles to master a skill while doing some actual Jedi training
4. Saber fights!
5. Lando!
6. Wedge Antilles!
7. Han!
8. New sabers!
In summary, Disney clearly still doesn't understand the rules of the universe they are writing for with respect to hyperspace and the Force. (They keep trying to turn the Force into a soft magic system that doesn't fit with the Lucas-made films.) With that said, overall it was fun to watch and goes down much smoother than TLJ. I left the cinema in good spirits.
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Post by Darth Chasm on Dec 20, 2019 22:53:09 GMT -5
Loved it. That is all.
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Post by ARKM on Dec 20, 2019 23:20:46 GMT -5
Saw it today. I love it. Right now the only negatives I have are the plot being too close to RotJ (but hey, that is also a good movie), the hyperspace skipping (which was weird, especially with the ties following somehow... but it was cool to watch), the fact that the Knights of Ren did not use Force powers (Weren't they Luke's former students?) and Kylo Ren's Death after turning to the light side. As for the Kylo/Rey kiss, it should have been a hug... unless she's just like, really ho... I mean thi... you know.  |
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Post by ZahcStarKiller on Dec 21, 2019 2:51:33 GMT -5
Loved it. Haters can hate. Some things irritated me, momentarily. But I loved it. I’ll need to watch it a few more times before I can really dive in and give an unbiased opinion on minor plot points, but I’m not mad at all after watching it. I thought it was as good of an end as modern Hollywood could have given it. |
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Post by profezzorn on Dec 21, 2019 3:48:14 GMT -5
Generally, I feel like that the movie was pretty good, but it never quite connected for me. I just didn't really care that much about what happened.
It's possible that TLJ ruined the characters for me, or maybe it's because this movie focuses so much on action instead of emotional connection?
There is also a fairly long list of minor annoyances that makes it harder to just sit back and enjoy the movie (like the force teleportation thing).
Together these things prevent the movie from ranking as great for me, and puts it sort of in the middle of the pack when it comes to SW movies.
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Post by squirrelydan on Dec 21, 2019 12:18:37 GMT -5
maybe it's because this movie focuses so much on action instead of emotional connection?[ This is why I had a hard time with the movie. If they cut out the whole dagger/wayfinder plot (which they never needed, since Rey just stole Kylo’s ship) and used that time to focus in on the characters, I would have liked it a lot more. My favorite part of Star Wars is the journey, the humor and the rebellion. This movie focuses on the laser battles, which are always fun, but not for a whole movie. |
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Post by treansoturi on Dec 21, 2019 12:55:01 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it. I think, as others have said, that there was a lot to undo from TLJ. I believe that in effect, they had to cram two movies into TRoS - one to perform some undoing and one to move the story forward to some sort of conclusion. In my opinion, TLJ did have a few important plot points, so I don't think you can disregard it in its entirety, but TLJ is the least informative for the saga. I cannot think of a better way to walk back some plot elements AND wrap the saga than what I saw on the screen, so I will be thankful for what we have.
As for light skipping and the physical force connection - I *think* light skipping is supposed to be connected to what TLJ introduces, with tracking through light speed? I didn't care for the concept, but it doesn't detract enough for me to be upset. The physical force connection - after watching a couple of times, I think this is an evolution in the force, or a culmination of force powers, if you will. I am OK with the lore it represents, because to me it is clear that this is not just a once-in-a-generation event, but a once-in-thousands-of-generations type of capability. There are lots of contradictions and moments in the OT, prequels, cartoon series and now sequels, so for me I will chalk these things up as plot movers and "move along, move along".
Not everyone will like everything about this movie, and not everyone will be satisfied, but I left the theater feeling as though I have been through a journey that I can appreciate, that my boys have enjoyed, and will keep me in the Star Wars universe for the foreseeable future. Happy holidays and New Year to all of you and yours, and remember: the force will be with you, always.
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Post by darthbrooks on Dec 21, 2019 14:43:04 GMT -5
I just out and rather than rehash EVERY single thing that was wrong with this trilogy that has like 26 pages from the TLJ thread I'll just say
Wish I had my time and money back🤣😂😅
The Disney Trilogy is absolute TRASH!
Ruin Johnson and KK "tried",,, to ruin Star Wars and JJ should NEVER have had the reigns in the first place.
What a convoluted, discombobulated MESS!
I say they tried to ruin Star Wars because you can NEVER ruin Star Wars Ep1-6 will always be my favorite film series of all time Star Wars ends at ROTJ.
There is no 7-8-9 but a decent try Jar Jar Abrams... OT, PT and ST?... Oh wait I mean (DT) there's just an OT and PT
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